Separate Church from State?

Separating Church from State – i.e. the separation of religion and politics. In Singapore, there is really no such problem with that, especially with Christians, because Christians here actually protect the State from church actively by telling fellow Christians that it is against God – and His Will – and it isn’t Biblical to criticise – much less oppose – the State. (And hell no that I am saying we are to oppose the State!! Anyone considering this an endorsement or exhortation to open rebellion can throw himself off the roof of the highest building in Singapore posthaste!)

The best part is, some are so zealous in protecting State from Church that they even go to the extreme of curbing political dissent by means of censorship on their own forums and imposing their own political views based on their own interpretation of scriptures. Good for them too, because nothing escapes the all seeing ISD in Singapore.

Anyway, here’s an example:

Exerpts:

I’m going to lock this thread because I believe any more posting in this topic would only fuel more complaining and gripings. But before I do that I will have this to say:

There is absolutely no room for political discussion or even ‘hinting’ your opinion on the country’s goverment system in this forum. From what I understand from the Bible, we are told to respect and pray for the government, whether one thinks it is a good or bad government, because God is the one that ordains the country’s leadership, good or bad. The Bible even goes on to talk about subjecting ourselves to the government authority. Romans 13:1-2, 1 Peter 2:13-14.

Next, some people might complain about the ‘censorship’ of the forum, or that when the views are not ‘conformed’ to the views of this website, they are locked or shut down.

But what do you expect? This is not some public free-for-all forum and there will be moderations. When one post a topic in the forum in this website, it is assumed he had read the README FIRST post and the FAQs on posting in the forum. The website is run by humans with their own beliefs, and the website inherits the beliefs of its creators (the admins). The admins and moderator can be accomodative, in the spirit of sharing and edification… but this is NOT the Speaker’s Corner at Hong Lim Square. So please don’t complain about censorship lah, the moderators too strict lah, etc. Flow (not asking you to agree with everything the admin or moderator said) with the admins and the spirit of the website, or you could always go to newsgroup soc.culture.singapore.

There’s a definite finality to this. There is no use taking this up further against such ‘anal-retention’ anyhow. But here’s an interesting nugget: ‘We are told to respect and pray for the government, whether one thinks it is a good or bad government, because God is the one that ordains the country’s leadership, good or bad.’

This came from someone who has never experienced any true form of religious persecution such as the mainland Chinese Christians who suffered during the Cultural Revolution, never lived under regime of terror like that of the Nazis or those countries in which simply being a Christian is reason enough for death! Oh, he might argue that’s exactly the point why we must be grateful for what we have but what the heck? We should all stick our heads in the ground and let certain things go by simply because it wasn’t worse?! Wow, that’s just real power man! No wonder Singapore gets that many kicks in the jaw between 1997 – 2002.

Also, if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson et al were all ‘good’ Christians like this joker here, then we would probably not have a United States of America today or there will be no great historical events like Bastille Day had the French all been ‘good’ Christians. In fact, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen should be a ‘good’ Christian too and kowtow to the Manchu Emperor in Beijing and we will not have a Chinese republic at all.

And whoever says dissent and having a personal view of the matter is NOT ‘subjecting ourselves’ to government authority? Was there talk of sedition or encouragement of open rebellion? Perhaps someone can tell me where in Romans 13:1-2 and 1 Peter 2:13-14 that says that they actually forbid any comments and criticisms of the powers-that-be?

Anyway, I have taken up the ‘offer’ and left a post with a link to this load of utter crap on soc.culture.singapore itself. And I don’t recall any part of the README FIRST, or FAQs that say I cannot take the matter out of the forum.

And BTW, where the heck is Hong Lim Square anyway? Don’t be confused with Sim Lim Square. There’s Hong Lim Park or Hong Lim Food Centre, but a Hong Lim Square? Shame on you for even trying to act like a loyal, true-blue Singaporean but yet make such a boo-boo. And yes, I am vindicative. Just making the playing field even whereby I get a place in which only I can talk but you can’t too.

(PS: I am not against separation of politics from religion. Considering some countries in which religious lea-duhs wield too much power, it is definitely a good thing to do so. But what is really oxymoronic is to use religion to enforce the separation, just like what this bozo did above. And separation of Church from State is a double edged sword because now the forked-tongue liberals can even deny people voting on an issue based on their moral views by calling it an ‘interference of Church in State’ simply based on a person’s religious alignment.)

Bway song with what I have written? Just drop it in the comments page. It might get published here, and on a day I am having a bad mood, you might just get more than you ask for.

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