In between user calls and my daily tasks, I checked out the recent posts on ping.sg and noticed that two of its members are now on a collision course over the matter of Nuffnang.
But what is so notable about that since flame wars are pretty common in Blogosphere? Some people just flame one another for the fun of it or to attract attention. The reason it was notable was because not too long ago, one of the bloggers involved in this little ‘disagreement of views’ actually posted a blog post titled ‘The Final Words On Nuffnang (Seriously)’ (see screen shot below).
When Endoh sent me the subject of the post on MSN Live Messenger, I recalled myself typing the following response: “Famous last words, he mean?”
Anyway, just in case there are meanings in the word Final that I did not originally know, I actually checked it up on Dictionary.com to make sure I ain’t mistaken.
- pertaining to or coming at the end; last in place, order, or time: the final meeting of the year.
- ultimate: The final goal is world peace.
- conclusive or decisive: a final decision.
- constituting the end or purpose: a final result.
- pertaining to or expressing the end or purpose: a final clause.
- Law.
a. precluding further controversy on the questions passed upon: The judicial determination of the Supreme Court is final.
b. determining all issues presented, so that no further decision upon the merits of the issues is necessary: a final judgment or decree.
- Phonetics. occurring at the end of a word or syllable, as the (t) sound in bit or bite. – noun
- that which is last; that which forms an end or termination.
- Often, finals.
a. the last and decisive game, match, contest, or round in a series, as in sports.
b. the last, usually comprehensive, examination in a course of study. - the last edition of a newspaper published on any day.
- Music. the tonic note of a church mode.
In Chinese, the word ‘final’ also translates into 最后; and in some cases 终极.
I was thinking that anyone who said something like that would really appear stupid if he later continues talking about the same topic. You see a lot of people getting their feet in their mouths when they said ‘This is my absofxxkinglutely last post on this matter’ on the forum and then continue to respond later. And here was the blogger making two posts on the matter today:
So, was that really final or not?
My colleague actually turned around and gave me the dirty look when I said that out loud. I went through some of his postings and comments on the subject and I actually saw him accusing his opponent of deleting comments from the comments section which is actually funny because… wouldn’t that mean his blog has been hacked? How could that be?
* Darth Grievous trembles in fear and exclaims * All hail Harry, the 1337 hax0r! I am not worthy!
I am again wondering if I was prescient when I said in an earlier post that supporters of Nuffnang aren’t really helping at all. Personally speaking, the so-called final post should be more aptly named:
‘The Final Words On Nuffnang. Eh, until the really final one, that is (Seriously)’. LOL!
I guess on hindsight, we can see now who was right and who was wrong. Not only that Nuffnang did not fail, they have grown into a big company with regional presence.
What i have said in his blog are all in the heart and conscience of the commmunity. All i need is a lighter of intelligence and the gas of sensibility from him and the whole ambience of truth and reality will ignite. There are answers, and many at that. Alas Larry refuses and chose to hide his concern and so the venture remain as unknown with him. I believe we could had held his hand.
Harry> Congratulations Harry. If Larry is right, that means you have the power to unconsciously hack Larry’s blog and delete content. I hail thee, the 1337 haX0r!!
Soup> [Joke] A man who was to become a monk was caught for raping a girl. Pleading before the judge he said, “I am gonna become a monk, your honor. That will be the final woman I will have sex with, unless absolutely necessary in the future.” Result: The judge promptly threw him into jail.
DK> Exactly. He accused Harry of hacking his blog and removing the comments. But if Harry has hacked it, why did Harry NOT also change the password and / or wipe out the entire site as well? Why just delete comments when, if the case is to be reported to the police, it doesn’t matter if you delete a comment or the entire blog, it is still a misuse of computer crime anyway.
Just wondering. Larry said the Harry deleted his comment from the blog. I went to post a comment on Larry’s blog but couldn’t delete my comments leh. Strange. Or did I miss the delete button?
Personally, I hate it when people start a blog entry pointing fingers at someone, then turn off the comment option. There is no media blackout in the new media.
Hey son, this is the final time I’m going to buy a toy for you.
1 month later:
Dad can you buy me a toy?
I thought I said its the final time?
I thought you meant that its the final time unless really necessary.
😛
Larry > That was a very interesting reaction. Perhaps you have to ask yourself whether is FINAL the wrong term? What do you think of the meaning of that word? I will change my stance if you have sounds reasoning.
The community will endure you. We will forgive you.
My understanding of Larry is that he is a supporter of Nuffnang for some reason. In several threads, when the world was already criticising Nuffnang, he challenged the rest instead. That can be called an act of defending.
So i am of the least surprised that his article turned out to be biased. So i decided to engage him and showed him that some of his points in the article are flawed. I raised several good points in his blog and when he couldn’t engage further, he said i am using language beyond his proficiency so i use simplified synopsis to explain to him, a particular comment that i posted was that to judge Nuffnang based on what the owner tell you isn’t sufficient as the mood of the people on the ground must be consider too for a thoughtful judgement. He suddenly turned frustrated and threatened remove my right from discussing in the thread. For what reason a man of his stature would do that, i don’t know. I posted a few comments next and one of which was a reply to Rachel. And when few seconds later, what happened? All my comments are all gone. Fine. And then when i go to ping sg, i found out he started a thread to accuse me of deleting my own comments from his blog and me accusing him of being biased. Huh?! How? I wish i have the skill and then i can delete all his postings too. And clever as he is, he disabled the comment function on that thread so no one can question him on anything. What a wise man indeed.
Larry > If you are reading this, may i ask , what is the fear? Nonetheless you are still welcome at my blog and I will continue to achieve fairness in treatment for all community by raising questions with the incumbent. I am doing this to make the community better for each and every blogger. This is difficult task but worthy in my eyes. I also hold the belief that my analysis should make bloggers more aware of the circumstances clouding the scene. I hold a different view as to your assessment but please let us move towards freedom of expression if you willing. I hope you are encouraged. This is good for community.
cc> Yes… 婆婆妈妈，拖泥带水。Anyway, got some people asked me… if you never used Nuffnang and has no quarrels with Ming, then what is your issue here? I have only one thing to say to that matter: 恨铁不成钢。
Larry> Actually, I wouldn’t. What’s final, is final. But if your disclaimer would make the foot in your mouth more tasty than it already is, you can by all means go ahead and post as much as you like. Maybe the next round I’ll talk about how never shouldn’t go with unless… LOL
Harry> I believe there’s only one result they want by doing so. i.e. to dominate entire exchange of comments so as to silence dissent. Anyway, I also ban commenters and delete comments at times, but that’s only when vulgarities are used, or when it’s out of point – for e.g. I am talking about weapons in China and someone then commented about the price of vegetables in Chai-Chee.
Darth > Sir some who cannot carry on the discussion have chosen to ban commenters. This can be a correct answer but wrong result.
I think you missed out that bit at the bottom where I wrote “…I shall never write about them again unless really necessary”. After meeting with Ming, I thought it was necessary to share the information I got – wouldn’t you agree?
lol, it’s like a parent telling his son, I’m leaving you at the toy shop already ar…
then the son still not going, the parent repeat, I’m really going to leave u this time ar…
duh…